Elderberries are powerful medicine to have on hand, and there is so much controversy surrounding this plant. To heat or not to heat? Are elderberries poisonous? Those are the questions for which I do my best to give thoughtful and well researched answers.

Making Elderberry Medicine

In order to easily separate the elderberries from the rest of the plant material, freeze the harvest overnight. Garble the berries from the stems while they are still frozen. Once the berries thaw out, it becomes difficult, time consuming, and messy to remove the stems.

Now, put a small amount of berries at a time in a bowl, and gently squish them to break open the skins, making sure to not break open the seeds.

Fill a jar 1/2 of the way up the jar with fresh squished berries.

Fill jar with 2/3rds full with either brandy or apple cider vinegar, then top off to the top of the jar with honey. Brandy and honey make an elixir, apple cider vinegar and honey make an oxymel.

Tightly cover the jar with a plastic lid, or with a piece of parchment paper between the metal lid and the vinegar if making an oxymel, and put it on a dish as there may be some leakage. Let macerate in your fridge (to prevent fermentation) for a month, then strain all plant material including the seeds.

If you choose to make a straight up alcohol tincture, fill your jar halfway with the mashed berries, then fill to the top of the jar with 100 proof alcohol to extract and preserve all alkaloids and antioxidants. It may be necessary to refrigerate the alcohol tinctures while they’re macerating to prevent fermentation. Be sure to put a label on your jars/bottles.

A half to a whole teaspoon in a cup of warm water several times a day is all that is needed to provide relief. As elixirs and oxymels take a month to macerate fully, you might want to get on this right away!

You, your family, and your friends will be very happy when you provide them with herbal medicine that works well! 

Antioxidant is a blanket name, really, for many groups of compounds in plants. Bioflavonoids, AKA antioxidants, are capable of increasing bodily health by supporting strong immune function and cell formation, destroying cancer causing free radicals in the body that corrupt cellular information, have anti-inflammatory and anti-allergic properties, and are antiviral and antibacterial to name just a few of their actions in the human body.

Let’s look into the antioxidants in elderberries. Elder is probably the most well-known antiviral herb on the market at present. It can assist in reducing inflammation in the sinuses to relieve congestion, eliminate metabolic waste products, stimulate sweating to remediate fevers, and reduce flu and cold symptoms. Elderberries contain shikimic acid, an intermediary in the production of Tamiflu, an anti-flu pharmaceutical. While commercial production of Tamiflu uses the shikimic acid in Star Anise, elderberries also contain this valuable substance. Cool beans, Elderberry!

Phenolic compounds in plants are secondary metabolites. While some claim they are not inherently necessary for a cell’s survival, they play key roles in the protection against pathogens, saline stress, heavy metal stress, UVA and UVB radiation. Antioxidants, terpenoids, and alkaloids/glucosinolates are 3 of the principal kinds of secondary metabolites synthesized in plants. Shikimic acid is part of the secondary metabolism in the actions of plant vitality.

Elderberries contain a variety of polyphenols. Polyphenols are a class of flavonoids, AKA antioxidants. In plants, polyphenols role is to give fruits and veggies their color, contribute to bitter taste, astringency, aroma, and the stability of the plant.  In us, polyphenols help to slow down or prevent the progression of diseases such as diabetes and Alzheimer’s. Additionally, they fight free radicals, reduce the appearance of aging, reduce inflammation, protect the cardiovascular system, support normal blood sugar levels and blood pressure, promote brain health, protect the skin against UV rays.

Guess what? Studies show that organically grown food contain more polyphenols than non- organic food. Wild foods are packed with polyphenols!

Polyphenols help to positively influence the health of the gut ecology. Beneficial bacteria thrive in the gut with the addition of polyphenols, while bad bacteria are negatively impacted. What we eat directly influences the health of the structure of our gut and the demographics (the population and particular bacterial groups within it) of the bacteria in our intestines.

When processing elderberries, care must be taken to ensure that the medicinal components are intact in the menstruum. While vitamin A, calcium, magnesium, potassium, niacin, iron, valerianic acid, viburnic and shikimic acids, tyrosine, and other health supporting constituents and nutrients in elderberries can withstand heating and drying, ascorbic acid, anthocyanins, and many other flavonoids (AKA antioxidants) may not. Heat and drying, whether it is stove top heat, or drying with stoves, dehydrators, microwaves, or any other heat source can degrade to a degree or destroy many the flavonoids in plants (1).

There is much controversy concerning the lectins in elderberries. Some will point to the instance back in the 80s where several people were “poisoned” by drinking a large quantity of fresh elderberry juice that included pressed leaves and branches. The symptoms were severe gastric upset and diarrhea. It appears that lectins were the culprit, as “Arterial blood gases were normal for all eight, as were serum cyanide levels”. See this article from the CDC regarding this event. Lectins in plants resist degradation in the stomach, meaning they don’t break down in the stomach. This causes the digestive system to try and get rid of them as quickly as possible. That doesn’t mean poisoning, that means holy crap, point the way to the bathroom! Not everyone is affected by the lectins as others may be. Think about this: plants need protection from predators. They can’t run away or call the police or a doctor, so they devise ways to protect them including bitter tasting polyphenols, poisonous glycosides, prickles, and the like. Genius!!!!!

Additionally, the antiviral and anti-inflammatory actions of the anthocyanins in elderberries are reduced with heating. 10 minutes in a hot water bath reduces the anthocyanins by up to 10%. Most people heat their elderberries on the stove for much longer than 10 minutes at a much higher heat, which destroy a greater percentage of the healthful actions. For more information on lectins and heating elderberries, please read this study.

Personally, I use only fresh elderberries in my remedy making. Why heat the elderberries to lose even a small percentage of its medicine? To me, I honor the plant giving itself to me by utilizing as much of the medicine as possible. Additionally, I microdose, so never have to deal with the possible lectin issue. I take only a teaspoon of an elixir, tincture or oxymel per dose and space each dose out a few hours in between.

In this climate of fear around the coronavirus, I’d like to add this:

As the study above states, 10% is not a huge reduction in medicine and is not as significant as a higher percentage would be by boiling longer. My point is that people will boil the hell out of the berries for much longer than 10 minutes. I’ve crawled all over the internet looking at elderberry syrup recipes. Long boiling/simmering. Using immune depressing sugar to make the syrup instead of honey. No bueno.

However, being a wildcrafter and steward of the land on which I harvest and teach, I profess that we must utilize the most effective menstrua and processes to ensure we get the greatest amount of medicine out of the plants we harvest in respect that we took plant material from nature that those who actually live on that land – animals, other plants, etc, – also utilize for their survival.

All this to say, sure, dried elderberries cooked into syrup may still be effective against influenza viruses, however, if processed lightly, the effect would be greater. In this climate of fear about contracting the coronavirus – and the influenzas A and B that are still being passed around – people are looking for definitive answers. I would say go ahead and use the dried berries, but simmer for a short amount of time. It’s kind of a “we’ll take what we can get” scenario.

Be wary of those who will try to monetize our fears by claiming elderberry to be the be-all-end-all herb. It is not. We must not put all our eggs in one elderberry basket and think this particular herb is the only answer. We must use common sense around cleanliness, avoiding contact with those affected by viruses, and using other immune and respiratory systems supportive herbs such as yarrow, lomatium, arrowleaf balsamroot, rosemary, oregano, and elecampane to name just a few. Fire cider is helpful, as is raw garlic and onions. Try paper thin slices of raw onion and garlic on nut butter toast. 

To note: While plants do have the ability to produce constituents that kill certain viruses, fungi, and bacteria, we don’t know that those constituents will kill COVID-19 as it is a new strain. While this virus is being fully explored, yet there are still so many unknowns. Please follow CDC guidelines. 

Well , there you have it. The truth about elderberries! Keep believing in herbal medicine – because it’s awesome – and be healthy!

 

  1. Tsao, Rong. (2010) Chemistry and Biochemistry of Dietary Polyphenols. pp 1231-1246. doi: 10.339/nu2121231 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257627/
Suzanne Tabert

Suzanne Tabert

Suzanne Tabert, bioregional herbalist, is director of herbal education and herbal mentor at the Cedar Mountain Herb School. An herbal medicine instructor for 30 years, Suzanne teaches with great passion and excitement, bringing her wealth of herbal knowledge to students in an engaging and vibrant manner. She is the primary instructor at CMHS and an adjunct faculty at Bastyr University. Taking students to wild places and giving them tools to engage and connect with flora, fauna, and the exquisite beauty of nature is the icing on the cake of life, and one way that Suzanne is making a difference in the world, one person, one group at a time. She is currently writing a wildcrafting book that will be able to be utilized by people of all walks of life who wish to take their health back into their own hands. Cedar Mountain Herb School is a member of the American Herbalists Guild and the American Herb Association.

134 Comments

  • Rachael says:

    Thank you for this- we are lucky to have a tree in our yard! I’m confused on the seeds- can you clarify what to do with them I the processing? Looks like the squeezing of the berry is meant to remove the seed (?) but that the seeds are also contained in a small sac that’s not meant to be broken? Do you remove these, separate, and then keep the remaining berry? Are there many seeds per pouch? Thank you!

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Breaking open the skins of the berries allows the menstruum easy access to the medicine inside. We do not want to break the seeds, as they contain chemicals that are harmful. The seeds are strained out after the remedy is ready. Yes, there is “goo” around each seed. The goo is medicinal! The mentstrua will be able to dissolve the medicine in the goo surrounding the seeds.

      • Jon says:

        Hi and thanks for the great information and sprit.
        do you recommend making an alcohol extraction from dried elderberries ? I read about your alcohol extraction of fresh berries, but all the talk of dried berries is of heating in water. Thank you!

        • Suzanne Tabert says:

          Hi Jon,

          Good question! I use fresh plant material 99.9% of the time to make my tinctures and adjust the proof to bring out the alcohol vs water soluble constituents. I know many people make dried plant tinctures and get good results. Since I’m kind of a science geek, I always look up a new plant (or when doing further research on a favorite plant), on https://phytochem.nal.usda.gov/phytochem/search/list. There I can look up the active constituents and their actions in the body, then ask Uncle Google to tell me what kind of constituent it is (antioxidant? glycoside?, etc) and then its solubility. Then I use the right proof of alcohol accordingly. That way I know exactly what constituents and actions I’m extracting and preserving. Sure, it takes work, but I can tell you that my remedies WORK! If people wish to make dried plant tinctures, using 100 proof alcohol will be able to pull out most of the alcohol and water soluble constituents that were not compromised by the drying process. Michael Moore suggested 1 part plant material to 5 parts alcohol with dried plants. When I did make dried plant tinctures years ago, I used 1 part plant material to 3 parts alcohol. Seemed to be a bit stronger for me. Hope this helps, and happy tincturing! Keep learning. I sure do!

          • Natalie Palmer says:

            Hey there, I’ve just dried some elderberries before coming across your blog..i may have dried them a little too much, and they have gone rather crispy.. do you think I could still use them for syrups etc? I will definitely be following your guidance and using fresh elderberries next, how long would an apple cider vinegar/honey solution keep? Thank you for all your great info

          • Suzanne Tabert says:

            Hello Natalie! I’m picturing the poor berries being too crusty to work with at this point. Hey, the mistakes are how we learn, and I can tell you I’ve made more than my share! I keep my oxymels on my apothecary shelves for 2 years, longer in the fridge. Stay tuned for online workshops this winter! xo

      • Jeff White says:

        Suzanne,

        Oh the goo. This seems to be the elderberry’s hidden skeleton in the closet.

        I have tried not to panic when I used white gloves to hand squish my berries only to pull my hands out and see them covered with GREEN GOO. That as described as impossible to wash off or disolve with soap and water becomes a bit, well scary.

        I have yet to find the answers to these specific questions anywhere online, While your post starts to answer them:

        1. What exactly is this Green Goo made from. Its the stuff around/protecting the seed, but what does it contain?

        2. If its good, great, if its not good how does one avoid activating it, or better how to separate it, only if it matters. As stated in another post, we use low speed vitamix blender and the goo, must come off in our sieved resultant juice. Last night the wisk I used to help the juice through was completely coated with goo.

        3. The simple version: Is the goo something to be worried about or not?

        • Suzanne Tabert says:

          Oh the goo! The goo contains mucilage, which is so soothing to irritated tissues, which is exactly what I’m looking for when I have a virus with sore throat accompaniment. No need to panic!

      • Paula says:

        Hi! Thanks for the beautiful and thorough information.
        I’ve been making elderberry tincture for some years now, but this year I guess I didn’t shake my tincture (100 alcohol proof) enough the first days and today that I opened it I realized it had begun fermenting.
        Would it still work? or has the fermentation affected the active compounds and all around Elreberry magic?
        thanks for you help Suzanne!

        • Suzanne Tabert says:

          Hello Paula! Interesting question. I’ve never had elderberry ferment in tincture form. Honey, sure, but not tincture. I’ll need more info. How full was the jar with berries before adding alcohol? Did you break open the berries? What proof alcohol did you use? Was the jar completely full to the top with alcohol? How long was the steep? If you could get back to me with these answers, I’ll be able to better answer your questions. Thanks!

    • Jessica says:

      Suzanne,

      We have a few elderberry bushes in our yard that my husband planted. I did not know they could be poisonous. I just picked them from the bush (dark purple) and are them one by one. Probably like 1/2 just guessing. My 11 month old was also eating them. Seeds and all, my 11 month old smashed a bunch and ate the skin mostly. We don’t eat them daily and had some yesterday as well. And then I wanted to see what I could make with them and saw that they may be poisonous. Should I avoid eating them and look into just jams and what not. You seemed to have a little more information then other sites so I thought I might send an email and get your thoughts.

      Thank you for your time,

      Jessica

      • Suzanne Tabert says:

        Hello Jessica!
        Thanks for reaching out, I appreciate your story and wanting my thoughts. I know I say very lightly that I’ve eaten a few elderberries here and there and have lived to tell the tale, but we do need to be careful really, don’t we? I’m not sure what you mean when you say, “like 1/2.” A half cup? A half tablespoon? 1/2 gallon? While the seeds will surely pass out of our digestive system, there is always the possibility of breaking open the seeds while biting down on them. I do the swirl and mash, swallow the juice, and spit out the rest. I never eat enough to make a quantity, just a few during my first harvest. Please make sure to read the part in the article about the lectins. The juice isn’t poisonous, but can cause digestive upset in quantity.

  • I’ve been writing a book on elderberry foraging and recipes, and I’ve researched extensively on the subject of how heat will affect the medicinal properties of elderberries. I especially wanted to know about the high heat involved in canning, since so many herbal sites recommend canning the juice but I thought the heat might harm the compounds in it. This is the first time I’ve seen mention that even drying elderberries harms the compounds. Rosemary Gladstar herself recommends using dried elderberries for anti-flu syrup, and I’m pretty inclined to believe anything Ms. Gladstar says (big fan here). Are you saying that all those herbalists are wrong and elderberries can only be used raw for medicinal purposes? I would love to find some research either way, as I’ve read that some of the medicinal properties are actually increased through heating but now I’m seeing this. Do you know of any studies? Thanks!

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Thank you for your comment and questions. I’ve never been one to debate what other herbalists say or do. There are many ways to make herbal medicine. Some are valid, some not. While some of the antiviral properties of the elder, as I stated in my article, are preserved with heat and drying, the bulk of the medicine is in the antioxidants. Antioxidants are a very large group of chemicals that have a wide variety of actions including antiviral, antiallergic, anti-inflammatory, antibacterial, anticancer, and more. Science shows that many antioxidants are destroyed with heat and drying. Please feel free to do your research on this, and provide a book that is well written with valid info.

  • Brandi says:

    Do you have a site where you sell your stuff at?

  • Loreta says:

    What is your feeling on making elderberry syrup using an instant pot (pressure cooker)? The berries will spend less time “cooking” but at a higher heat than stovetop.

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Any time with heat will destroy many of the medicinal bioflavonoids in the berries. The loss of so much of the medicine after the effort of harvesting and processing would be sad!

  • Jessica says:

    What should I do if I do not have access to fresh elder berries? It’s just my luck that I purchased dried elder berries moments before I found this blog and so cannot undo my purchase, but even so, I don’t have fresh anywhere. I am going to be planting my own tree somewhere down the road, but that will take some time to begin producing the berries. Could I help maintain as much of the good stuff as possible by using the alcohol with the dried berries instead of boiling them in water? Perhaps chopping the dried berries up first? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. This is my very first foray into the use of home made herbal concoctions. I would hate to have spend $17 on berries without trying to get as many benefits as possible out of them. Thank you.

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Hi Jessica!

      Drying and heat do destroy many, but not all, of the bioflavonoids.

      Sometimes we have to wait until the season for the part of the plant we wish to harvest is available again. We will see fresh elderberries in September. During the 27 years that I made herbal products for sale, there were times when I just did not have a product because I didn’t get the harvest done in a timely manner, or nature did her own thing and the plant was ready earlier one year than the next. My customers knew they would get the best quality products from me, because I paid such good attention to detail and only harvested plants when they were ready. I strove to be the best of the best with the medicine in my bottles and jars as this was (and still carries today) my reputation to create and sell quality herbal medicine that worked!

      It does a good service to you and those you wish to give or sell your ware to, to pay attention to the plants you are interested in harvesting in order to keep an eye on best harvest times. Consider finding a good spot for harvesting and freeze the elderberries to use as needed

      I hope this helps!

  • Samantha says:

    Is there any good use for dry elderberry’s?

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Sure! The micro and macro nutrients such as sugars and minerals are still viable. Some other constituents may be as well.

  • Andrea says:

    I am a bit confused because many of the sites I’ve read say they are poisonous raw.

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Thanks for asking! It’s the seeds that should not be eaten. The skins and juice are fine. Many sites simply copy and paste info from other places on the internet. Not always with either good or entire info.

      I process mine by gently breaking open the skins, but never crushing the seeds. The seeds are tough and will not let in menstruum if unbroken. I’ve been eating raw blue elderberries for years and am alive to tell the tale without a single issue. Granted, I swirl them in my mouth to get the juice and skins and spit out the seeds. I don’t put them in smoothies. We need to be smart!

  • Tracey Gray says:

    Thank you for that information. It was really useful and informative. Some sites say that eating raw elderberries can be harmful, especially if eaten in large quantities.. Do you have any thoughts on this?

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Thanks for asking! It’s the seeds that should not be eaten. The skins and juice are fine. I process mine by gently breaking open the skins, but never crushing the seeds. The seeds are tough and will not let in menstruum if unbroken. I’ve been eating raw blue elderberries for years and am alive to tell the tale without a single issue. Granted, I don’t put them in smoothies or anything like that. That would not be smart. I’ll eat a few while I’m harvesting and processing them. I swirl them in my mouth to access the juice and skins, but don’t crunch down on them to break open the seeds. I spit the seeds out.

  • JJ says:

    Ok, I’ve read your comments and answers section Can you recommend any recipe that will make beneficial use of the dried elderberries that many of us have purchased before we became wiser through the information on your website? Thank you for sharing your research.

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Sure JJ! Dried elderberries contain calcium, magnesium, potassium. Fiber, fructose/glucose/sucrose/levulose, iron, zinc. Malic and lactic acid. Tartaric acid, which, with malic acid, has an alkalizing and cleansing effect in the body. Malic acid is part of the ATP chain! Niacin, which is anti-histaminic, anti-dermatitic, anti-dementia, and anti-vertigo. Elderberries contain valerianic acid which is antispasmodic. Yes, valerianic acid, just like our local wild valerian! All the cool stuff!

      You can use the dried elderberries to make a heated syrup.There are 14,563,678,789.3454306 recipes out there and all are pretty much the same. In my case, if I’m using dried plant material to make a syrup, I use honey vs sugar. Honey is acidic and has its own benefits. I gently heat the honey in the strained dried plant decoction (check out my Plant Medicine Made Easy for instructions on decoctions) 2:1. 2 parts honey and 1 part decoction. I know that I will be able to more easily assimilate the iron and calcium with acidic foods and menstrua. Honey is acidic and is the perfect vehicle for transporting iron and calcium to our cells.

  • Pam Colonna says:

    Hi – how long do the dried elderberries last in the bag they were purchased in? Should they be stored in the fridge and for how long will they keep? Thanks!

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      It depends on how long ago they had been picked, the quality of the drying, and how long they sat around the warehouse before they were purchased. Whole berries should last for a year at the most, if they were processed and stored properly.

      • Karan Headley says:

        I freeze & vacuum pack most harvests- yet to have elderberries, will someday- have 12 starts to set out. I partially freeze delicate things til firm, then vacuum pack– and put back in freezer- wala no frost. I freeze part of my tomatoes this way for soups etc-works great, just use a fork to lift out skins {or leave in is no one objects}

  • david a knorr says:

    I used to make elderberry wine back in the 80s.Won ribbons at contests.Started making our own jelly . delicious. Got to thinking what else can i make? Saw sambucus products on shelves at pharmacy. Counter help said Amish people swear by sambucus , and pharmacy cant keep shelves stocked.
    So I started making my own elixer? a few years ago. We pick fresh berries and freeze until ready to work with them. Then thaw them out, run them thru a food processor? that separates seeds and skins, while pure juice comes out. No breaking of seeds.Use unflavored brandy 46 proof? along with some lemon zest, cloves, cinnamon. I also started adding a little aronia juice. Let sit for 8 weeks in fridge. No heating occurs. Strain off into brown bottles and refrigerate. Always was leery of heating any plant products. Any suggestions on improving my recipe would be appreciated.

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Your recipe sounds super tasty AND medicinal all at the same time! I use the skins as they contain so many of the healthy antioxidants. You could try adding some fresh ginger as well. Glad you’re on the “no heating” bandwagon! It’s the smart thing to do, herbally.

    • Jeff White says:

      When you say food processor are you saying.
      Green Machine juicer? or
      Cuisart food processor?
      We have been using a vitamix blender on slow speeds. Then we use a medium mesh sieve to remove large pieces if skin and 99% of the seeds.
      The seeds seem to be in tact and I get about 70% juice and 30% pulp/seed throw out.

      BIG QUESTION: Using this method, or food processing otherwise, does this in somehow put too much seed content (broken or otherwise) in our product. We have done this for 2 years, still not dead, so that’s something????

      How we use this:

      We do this then freeze the juice in ice cube trays, then store. we use this juice to make coconut ice cream sweetened with stevia or put it in our 9 berry smoothie with black currents, aronia, cranberry, raspberry, blueberry, elderberry, honeyberry, blackberry, and a few strawberry.

      Note: We also use elderberry 3 cups berry 2 cups gin, to make our amazing Elderberry Gin and Tonics. We also make our own tonic water using a device uses Citric Acid and Baking Soda to made CO2.

      • Suzanne Tabert says:

        Greetings Jeff, thank you for your questions and for reading the article! People who wish to break open the berries use all manner of machines to do so, but it’s really not necessary with elderberries. In fact, the metal cutters of the machines have a much greater probability for crushing or cutting the seeds as well, which open them to let loose their constituents in the remedies. A gentle crushing with a jar in a bowl is really all that’s necessary for opening the skins, releasing the juice, and leaving the seeds intact, which will then simply be removed after macerating in the preferred menstrua. Incidentally, as I replied in a comment earlier, the skins have their own medicine and straining them out means lost medicine.
        It sounds as if you’ve worked/played with elderberries for a while. I love the sound of the coconut ice cream!!!

  • Amy says:

    The elderberries that grow in Missouri are a red/purple variety, not blue. I have been harvesting them in August and freezing them. In winter I boil them with blackberries, mulberries, and strawberries to make a delicious juice. I add a can of frozen grape concentrate to my juice to sweeten it. I strain out the seeds after I have cooked them. Is this a safe way to prepare them or does the heating release the toxins in the seeds? We drink large quantities of this juice especially when we have a cold going around.

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      As long as the seeds are not cracked open, you are safe. Just as a heads up, boiling the berries will destroy a portion of the medicine.

  • Anna says:

    I am deeply appreciative of this nuanced and fully-informed article. I have a huge number of frozen elderberries and have been trying to decide whether to make syrup or tincture. I was worried about the presence of the seeds and the alcohol extracting the toxins. This article allayed those fears and I will go with the tincture (although I may make a little syrup and combine the two for tastiness).

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Thank you for reading the article. I’m so glad you found value in it! I will be bringing frozen elderberries to my Bastyr students next month for them to process into an elixir. xoxo

  • Katie says:

    Does freezing fresh elderberries destroy the flavonoids like heating does? I’ve found a source for fresh, frozen wild elderberries and wondering if this is a better choice than dried. I’m assuming I could thaw and use following your recipes, however please advise if that won’t work. Thanks in advance!

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Freezing for short periods of time do not destroy the flavonoids. Freezer burn is certainly something to avoid, however, so no longer than 6 months in the freezer, well wrapped.

  • Jeff White says:

    We love elderberry pie. Which cooks the berries and seeds? Should this also be avoided? Or does cooking the berries in pie also make the seeds less toxic?

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Hello Jeff,

      That‘s a good question! Elderberry pie sounds wonderful. I know that there are people who bake the blue elderberries whole in the pie, thinking that they will poop out the seeds unbroken. I‘m not so sure about this, myself. While the seeds do have a hard seed covering, they can be broken when chewing or during the digestive process. I‘m trying to think how to separate the seeds from the berries for a pie. I‘m kind of stumped, to tell you the truth. Has anyone out there made elderberry pie and can jump in with comments? Thanks!

      • Jeff White says:

        Suzanne, Thanks again for a great discussion forum.

        About pies: The black elderberries are cooked on stovetop first, then baked for 55 minutes. We eat about 4 pies a year and its only for fun, not for health tonic. Everyone (aka no one) says the cooking kills the bad stuff, we assume most of the good stuff, is gone, plus all the other pie things. Its more of a celebration of Elderberry pie, show the berries we love them.

        We grow about 60-80 lbs of berries a year, so the pies are a small sacrafic to the berry gods. 🙂

        As you say, we’re still alive to tell the story.

        Jeff

        • Suzanne Tabert says:

          Hi again! When we eat berries baked into pies or galettes (my favorite!), guess where the seeds come out? Yep, out the exit shoot, intact. Our digestive system isn’t that great at breaking open/dissolving the seed coats, luckily! It’s when we eat them when they’ve been broken open via machines or pounding that we get into trouble. To be safe, we need to keep the amount of berries we eat intact to a minimum…just in case! Glad you’re still hear to tell the tale! PS….I love a good pie…..hint hint!

        • Suzanne Tabert says:

          P.S. Sure heating kills the cyanogenic glycosides, but they’re only released if the seed coats are broken.

  • Naj says:

    After I make the elderberry exilir and tincture, do they need to be stored in the fridge or can they be stored in a cabinet? If so, how long?
    Thank You!

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Hello Naj! I store elderberry elixir in the fridge and the straight up tincture in my apothecary cabinet. Doing so with both can keep the medicine viable for about 2 years. I prefer to make fresh elderberry elixir and tincture every 2 years, just to keep on top of the good medicine. xxoo!

  • Cyd Renz says:

    Hi Suzanne,
    I am still a bit confused on the seeds? Would I strain the seeds out prior to adding my alcohol/honey. Of course if I add them in my husband will eat them. LOL The separation seems obvious, but since you didn’t give a specific extracting procedure, I thought I would ask. Thank you for the time and effort you put into sharing!
    I sooo appreciate your gift of knowledge.
    Cyd:)

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Hello Cyd,
      I break open the skins of the elderberries and utilize the skins, juice, and seeds to make my remedies. The seeds are NOT broken open, but I do put them in the menstruum with the rest of the berry matter as the seeds have a nutritious gel that encompasses the seeds. That way, I’ll get all the goods! At the end of the masserating process, I’ll strain out the whole shebang and be left with the medicinal/nutritional remedy. No seeds will be in the remedy if strained well. Let me know if you need more info!

  • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

    I have been studying constituents in plants and the science/chemistry of them for many years. Included in my studies are menstruum – which is best to pull out a certain type of constituent, such as a polyphenol group, and preserve them for a certain amount of time. I have utilized many correct and reliable sources including Dr. Duke’s phytochem website and PubMed.
    Some plants, such as elderberries, may have toxic substances in the some plants parts, but not in others. There are no toxins in the “juice,” gel around the seeds, or skins. None of these contain toxins, although the seeds do. So….we don’t crush the seeds when preparing our remedies and we make sure to completely strain them out after the plant material has been in the menstrua for the time it takes to extract the constituents we want. I eat the berries raw when picking them, but not more than a few, and I always spit out the seeds.
    There is so much information on the internet and I understand that it can be confusing. That many people source one particular story says to me that there is a lot of copy and paste going on. I have found over the years that much information is bandied around that is not quite the truth, stretched to prove a point, or just plain untrue for dramatic effect or financial gain – if a website can scare a person off using their own common sense and get them to buy a product, then the company/person has won buyers. When enough people copy and paste a topic or bit of info, it begins to look like the truth.
    There is a story that is copied and pasted profusely about a group of people who apparently drank copious amounts of elderberry juice and were poisoned. We don’t really know the truth about the people who were poisoned. What does poison mean, actually? Drinking copious amounts of elderberry juice can give a person diarrhea and gastric upset. Is that poison? No, that’s gluttony, or falling into the “if a little works, then a lot should work better” syndrome. Lots of fructose in elderberry juice. Were there seeds in the juice? Did they drink red or blue/black elderberry juice? So many questions to ask before believing a story, in my never humble opinion.
    If eating raw elderberries straight off the bush poisons people, then I should have been dead many years ago. That being said, I’m smart about how I consume plants and make sure to do my research by using reliable sources.
    Yes, I do add dried cinnamomum verum and cloves and sometimes fresh lemon rinds/pulp and ginger to my oxymel and elixir. I’ll even throw in a bit of fir or pine needles in the mix for added medicinal terpenes. I find both oxymel and elixir to contain much medicine and nutrition and benefit those with whom I wish to share the remedy. Oxmels, being alcohol free, are good choices for those who wish to refrain from alcohol.

  • Melissa Pitchford says:

    Hey there, I’m new to the elderberry community. So I noticed you mention how much to fill a jar with the elderberries and the apple cider vinegar, but how much honey do you put in with it? And can you only add it to a cup of water or can you just take a teaspoon of it each day without adding it to water?

  • Melissa Pitchford says:

    Hey there, I’m new to the elderberry community…. I am curious how much honey you put in your jars? You say how much to fill it with the elderberries and the apple cider vinegar, but no exact amount of honey. And do I have to add a tsp to water or can I just drink the tsp?

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Hello Melissa and welcome! Fill a jar 1/2 of the way up the jar with fresh squished berries. Fill the jar with 2/3rds full with either brandy or apple cider vinegar, then top off (to the top of the jar) with honey. Brandy and honey make an elixir, apple cider vinegar and honey make an oxymel. Also, since we utilize elderberries when sick or when those around us are sick, it’s best to stay hydrated. Put the 1/2 to full tsp in a glass of warm water.

  • Becky says:

    So….if it accidentally ferments in 100 proof vodka, is it no longer viable?

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      It certainly is viable. Just more fun. Signs of fermentation is fine. Signs of mold, no bueno. I would keep it in the fridge. xxoo. PS…I went to your store yesterday, but didn’t see you!

  • esther greenfield says:

    WOuld freeze dried berries be a good choice for protecting the antioxidant content? Which brand of tincture would you recommend that is processed properly?

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      I will freeze the elderberries for up to 2 months. I can then use them in my workshops. I prefer to always process directly after harvesting, however. As far as brand of tincture, what you like is up to you. Are you talking actual brand or alcohol proof?

  • esther greenfield says:

    Also wondering the difference in health properties between a tincture and an extract and how these compare in effectiveness to making your own with frozen berries.
    Thank you!!

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      What do you mean by extract, exactly? There are many ways to make an extract. Some require heat, some do not. I always make my medicines with plants I harvest myself. That way, I can see the health and size of the stand, can look for signs of herbicide spray, know that I’m harvesting at the right time for the constituents I’m looking to extract and more. With purchased herbs, none of that is guaranteed.

  • Meghan says:

    Hello,
    I take homemade syrup I buy from others right now but looking to make my own. I found fresh flash frozen berries i can buy. I can buy local honey right near me. Wondering if I can add ginger,clove,cinnamon to the jar while maserating? Thanks for all of your info!

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Greetings Meghan!
      Homemade herbal remedies, done correctly, have so many more advantages than when purchased. To go further, harvesting the plant at the right time adds even more advantages. Local honey, if raw, adds value to remedies as well. Of course, add the spices. I do that all the time! Cinnamomun verum is the cinnamon you want to use. This particular cinnamon aids in the reduction of blood sugar, which is a benefit to those with prediabetes. Most cinnamon in the stores is cassia, which does not serve the same purpose. Happy medicine making!

  • Debby says:

    I cook berries will it matter if some of the green berries got in to mix

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Hello Debby!
      Thank you for your question. It’s an important one! I always remove the green elderberries before processing the ripe ones for safety. My students often pick green berries with the ripe and I have to talk about not only safety, but who else, meaning birds and other wildlife, will want to feast on them once they are ripe.

  • Amber says:

    Hello. Thank you for your informative site. I made cooked elderberry syrup today with dried elderberries and did not know to pick out the few little dried stems–some went into the pot. Since it was cooked and well strained, no seeds or stems ended up in the syrup. Is there any danger in consuming the syrup?

    • Suzanne@cedarmountainherbs.com says:

      Hello Amber,

      I’m so glad you’re finding value here at the Cedar Mountain Herb School! To answer your question, I would prefer zero stems in the finished product. When you say a few, how many is a few, actually? 5? 10? More? What is the volume of the syrup? How long did you cook the dried elderberries? The longer the cook and the more stems, the less I’d want to use the syrup. As far as the seeds are concerned, as long as they are strained out and the protective shell has not been compromised in any way, I don’t see an issue. If they have been compromised, I wouldn’t use the syrup. To be clear and to reiterate, cooked dried elderberries will not have the potency of fresh uncooked ones. If you can get back to me with the answers to my questions, I can better help you with this issue. Thanks so much! Suzanne

  • Susan says:

    I am trying to decide between making elderberry syrup or fermented elderberry honey. Are there significant pros and cons?

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Susan,
      Thank you for your question. I took a mental health day yesterday from all media including social media, emails, tv, and radio. Best day I’ve had in a long time!
      To answer your question, either one is fine, although I’ve never made fermented elderberry honey from dried berries. Remember when making a syrup – no more than 10 minutes in hot, not boiling water. Can you tell me your process for doing a fermented honey with dried berries, please? Thank you!

  • Briana says:

    Hello,

    Thank you for your very informative article.
    So the dried berries that are purchased still contain the seeds?
    And what if a person soaks their dried berries in water over night instead of boiling?

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Briana,

      Thank you for reading the article! Dried elderberries contain the seeds, yes. Dried berries are dried berries. Meaning, soaking the berries isn’t going to make them fresh again. If I were to use dried berries, which I wouldn’t, but if I were to use them dried, I’d steep them in hot water for about 10 minutes and then let them sit for a few hours before straining. That’ll bring out the medicine that wasn’t destroyed in the drying process.

  • Brandi says:

    Hi there. Thank you for this. I wanted to ask..
    Would it be alright to pick the fresh berries and have them sit in vegetable glycerin and without refrigerating? Most of the medicine I’m making this season is/will be done this way. In the past I cooked my elderberry syrup and other medicines. I got to thinking ..all this heat can’t be good ..and as you habe stated, it’s not. I want to keep my medicines as simple as possible. Thank you so much so sharing your know how.

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Brandi!

      Glycerin is a champ at extracting tannins and other water soluble constituents, however, it is very weak at best at extracting most alkaloids and other constituents. You might get a some medicine from the elderberries, but it will not be very effective. The shelf life of a glycerin tincture is short, as well. Thanks for your comment! xo

  • Shunta` says:

    I came across your website and article on dried elderberry (it would you let me post this as a comment).
    This was a wonderful and very informative article. I am so glad I stumbled across when researching dried elderberries. I am a bit disappointed that I have been using dried elderberries to make my syrup all these years when I should have been using fresh ones.
    I recently decided to try my luck at elderberry powder and then placing the powder into a vegan capsule to take daily as a pill. I used a herb and spice grinder to grind the dried elderberries, they came out not as fine powder, but the texture reminds me more of coffee beans that have been placed in a grinder. I placed the powder into capsules, after having it in an airtight container with an oxygen absorber pack, but have yet to take any of the capsules – fearful that I am not supposed to consume them like that (read that dried elderberries are poisonous if not heated).
    What are your thoughts and/or suggestions on using dried elderberries to make a powdered capsule or how would you suggest making elderberry powder? I have read that any herb in its rawest form was best so I thought a powder would be good for keeping it on a raw form. Would consuming dried elderberries in this way (no heat) be okay…safe for consumption? I have even thought about using some of the leftover powder in my four years old’s smoothie, but again, did not want to risk it….hence my research of dried elderberry powder/dried elderberries.
    Any response you could give would be so greatly appreciated! Please keep giving all this wonderful information! It is very helpful! Thank you for your advice and time!

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Shunta! Thank you so much for you questions. You know what? We are all on a learning curve. I’ve been learning about and using plants as medicine since I was a little pea in my Great Aunt Mary’s garden! The plants give us a bit of wisdom every time we spend time with them. I’m so glad that you are as interested in the plants as they are in you!

      To answer your questions: The thing I’d be concerned with is that in grinding the dried berries into powder, the seeds are also a part of that powder. A bit here and there may be ok for some people, but ingesting the seeds in any real quantity is generally frowned upon.
      I wouldn’t say dried elderberries are “poisonous” per se, although we do want to practice moderation and caution.

  • Mark W. says:

    Are you using the Sambucus nigra or Sambucus canadensis for your medicine recipes? Is one better than the other in your opinion

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Mark! Our wild blue elder here in the Pacific Northwest/Inland West is Sambucus nigra ssp. cerulea. I see no reason why you couldn’t use the canadensis. A website that I use frequently to find the constituents in plants is Dr. Duke’s phytochem: https://phytochem.nal.usda.gov/phytochem/search/list
      Plug the plant in the search button, then click on the correct one from the list. You’ll see a list of constituents. Click on “chemicals with activities,” and the list will narrow. As you click on the carot next to each constituent, you’ll see a list of the actions with science back up. Here’s the one for Sambucus canadensis: https://phytochem.nal.usda.gov/phytochem/plants/show/2367?part=&_ubiq=

      Happy researching!

  • Gordon Chustz says:

    In harvesting ripe elderberries, there are always some green ones. How do you suggest removing these in processing?

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Gordon! From my perspective, if there are green berries on a bunch of elderberries, then I would suggest that the “ripe” ones may not be fully ripe and need a few extra days to become fully medicinal. I always go for the fully ripe ones. If you find one or two green ones on the bunch, fine, pick them out. If there are more than a few green berries on a bunch, I leave that bunch to fully ripen. Thanks so much for reading the article!

  • Stephanie says:

    Hi Suzanne,
    I’ve read the article and read through the comments and am so intrigued about using fresh elderberries instead of dried. We have a ton of elderberry trees on our property bc birds love them. We have always used elderberry syrup to keep us healthy but just recently have wanted to make our own. I’m curious : how long do you think fresh elderberries will last at room temp? I picked a giant crate full on Friday and only got about half off of the vines and left the rest out to keep working. I’m smelling a little bit of fermentation smell, but my husband doesn’t think it’s safe to use for elderberry and thinks I should pick fresh and start over. Any thoughts?

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Stephanie! Great question! I process my plant matter immediately after harvesting to preserve all the benefits that can be gleaned. Once a plant sits for a while, decomposition starts to happen and we lose some benefits. While fermented berries may be safe to use, once we smell the fermentation, mold may also be forming, which would be a detriment to the remedy and the health of the person taking it. Hope this answers your question to your satisfaction! I love that you have elder trees for the bees!

  • Sandy says:

    Hello Suzanne,
    Thank you for your teaching and sharing it here. I was all ready to begin preparing to make elderberry syrup (berries picked fresh and frozen), by heating them with other ingredients, when I discovered your article and insight. Timing is everything! I have prepared a “first batch”, and will use both brandy with local unpasteurized honey as an elixir and organic apple cider with local unpasteurized honey as an oxymel. My challenge… It hasn’t been easy to take out all the tiny stems. My query is whether it is safe to allow some stems In/to remain during the month of macerating in the fridge (BEFORE the final strain and addition of cinnamon, and ginger), or not. Fingers crossed that some stems can remain, to be removed completely during the straining process. With gratitude.

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Sandy,

      Thank you for your question! It all depends on how many stems are in with the berries. I remove the bigger stems after picking, then freeze the lot. I take out the berries and give them a quick 10 second soak in water to allow the smaller stems to rise to the surface of the bowl to be scooped off before processing. I can’t tell you if your remedy will be safe as I do not know how many stems are in the jar. Of course, none to least amount is preferable. Thanks!

  • Laura Bergner Owens says:

    LOVE your article! Thank you so much for sharing your experience and life-long learning. I just started making my own medicine about a year and a half ago. I use pure grain alcohol for tinctures, but want to try your oxymel! I have a lot of homemade apple scrap vinegar(with shiny new mothers n the jars) with a pH around 3.5 to 4.0. Do you think that is OK to use or should I use normal(store-bought) ACV?

    I also have way more blackberries than I can handle this year. As I read about preserving the fresh compounds in elderberries, I thought about mixing blackberries and elderberries together. What do you think? Is that good medicinally, or should I just chuck the he extra blackberries in the freezer and enjoy them in the dead of winter?

    • Laura Bergner Owens says:

      I forgot to ask — why doesn’t the alcohol or vinegar extract the cyanoide(?) extracted from the seeds? I tried Googling, but everything no comes up saying to cook elderberries 🙁

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Laura,

      Thank you for your kind words! I’m curious to know why you’re using pure grain alcohol. Are you saying 190 proof? You won’t extract any of the polyphenols or other antioxidants as they are water soluble. Normally, vinegar is 5-6% acetic acid, so 3.5-4.0 may not be enough to pull out and preserve what you’re looking for. Making herbal remedies with low acetic acid would mean short shelf life. Blackberries and elderberries make a good combo, just know that one would be using that more for tasting good than strong herbal medicine as the blackberries would displace room in the jar. You would certainly get some medicine and blackberries contain their own complement of antioxidants and sugars, but if I wanted to have pure elderberry medicine on hand, I would make that remedy with just elderberries.

      As far as your question about the seeds, the strong outer covering would prevent alcohol or vinegar from extracting anything from inside. The seeds don’t contain cyanide per se, but a cyanide inducing glycoside. Glycosides are part of plants’ defense systems and are either medicine or poison in us. It takes a quantity of elderberry seeds to be toxic in a person. Please refer to the article for more information.

  • Petar Jovanovic says:

    Dear Suzanne,
    How to make syrup from sambucus nigra berries and honey and can sambucus ebulus berries be used to make syrup?
    Best regards

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Petar, thank you for your question! I appreciate that you asked on the comments section. If you go to my Plant Medicine Made Easy article, you’ll find full instructions on how to make an herbal syrup. To note, I don’t use elderberries, either dried or fresh, to make elderberry syrup, preferring to make either an oxymel or herbal honey. Those instructions are on the article as well. http://cedarmountainherbs.com/plant-medicine-making-tutorial/

      As far as your question about Sambucus ebulus, check out what Dr. Duke’s Phytochem database says about it: https://phytochem.nal.usda.gov/phytochem/ethnoPlants/show/1334?et= I personally would not use it until I had the time to research it more thoroughly. I would offer that you do some research. I’d be happy to talk more about it with you.

  • Barbie says:

    Do you have a video on how you prepare the elixir?

  • Brenda says:

    Hi Suzanne,

    We have just moved to the PNW and I am pretty excited about the abundance of elderberries to forage. Our daughter is a strict vegan and I am wondering if there is a honey alternative that would work for making this? Is the honey an integral part of the elixir? Also the recipe I used the past few years with dried berries also included echinacea, is that not really necessary?
    Thank-you, it is very kind of you to answer all of these comments!

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Brenda! Welcome to the neighborhood! To answer your question about honey, we’ll refer to my Plant Medicine Made Easy article – https://www.cedarmountainherbs.com/plant-medicine-making-tutorial/
      “Honey is hygroscopic which means it draws water to it. What I appreciate about honey is its ability to pull both the alkaloids plus the nutrients from a plant’s cells. To note: other sweeteners are not advisable. Honey is acidic and this acidic nature is what preserves the syrup (and elixir). It also allows the iron and calcium in the decoction to easily enter our cells. Other sweeteners such as molasses, cane sugar, corn syrup (gack), maple syrup, and agave (processed to resemble corn syrup in its action) are alkaline and neither preserve the syrup nor act as a vehicle for calcium or iron to enter our cells. Herbal syrups made with these will keep for only a few days at best and must stay in the fridge.”

      What you add to your elderberries is up to you. I’m not completely sure what you’re asking, however. Echinacea is a fine complement to elderberry’s medicine, although I always use fresh, fresh, fresh elderberries and echinacea purpurea roots. Spilanthes would be an excellent alternative to echinacea as their medicines both work similarly.

  • Adrienne says:

    It’s difficult to get all the stems out before cooking. Is it okay to leave some of the stems there and then strain well after cooking?

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Good morning Adrienne! I recommend removing the stems before cooking as what is in the stems could easily end up in your end product. How I do this is freeze the berries overnight, then do a quick 10 second swish in a big bowl of cold water. The stems rise to the surface and can easily be poured off.
      Happy medicine making! I’m hearing that in some places, elderberries are just about ready to harvest. They’re coming early this year….I’m convinced they know we need them! xoxo

  • Elisa says:

    When looking up Elderberry Syrup recipes online many indicate that they drink a teaspoon or more every day to boost their immune system whether sick or not. Do you recommend this as well or should it only be consumed when one is showing symptoms of an illness coming on?

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Elisa! Now that’s a question for the ages. No matter who you talk with, everyone will have a different opinion. My thoughts are this: If one of elderberry’s superpowers is that it stimulates the immune system, do I want my immune system to be yelled at to go go go! to work all the time? Nope. Everything and everyone needs to rest. If not allowed to rest, the body breaks down eventually. What would be MUCH better is to do what can be done to STRENGTHEN the immune system. Stress relief, good food vs sugar and processed crap, proper sleep, less time on tech, Vitamin D3 AND time in the sun, etc, etc. Perhaps adding medicinal mushrooms. And the second I say add medicinal mushrooms, many people will say, “Screw healthy lifestyle habits, I can just take mushrooms and that’s all I need!” Heavy sigh. Good luck with that in the long run.

      Personally, I take elderberry medicine when I feel the first inkling of a virus. That’s just me, though.

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  • Jenni says:

    While I get that you don’t like using dried fruit 😉 if you were to chose between – gently heating fresh berries and freezing the juice or dehydrating berries and heating them later what would you choose? Thanks for all the information! I’m about to harvest a small amount from a neighbor and want to save what I have for later in the year.

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Jenni,

      Thanks for tuning in on this article and bringing your questions here! Given the choice, I would pick……neither. I never heat my berries. You can easily juice the berries and freeze the juice for later, or freeze the berries themselves. Please go ahead and read down on the comments to learn how I make sure there are no stems in the remedies. Thanks!

  • Sarah says:

    Finally an informative article on elderberries! Thank you. I really want to make a syrup and not use alcohol and would like to know what process I can use to preserve as much of the nutrients as possible? I was thinking maybe to run the raw berries through a food mill therefore removing the seeds and then mixing with honey and ginger on really low heat till lukewarm for maybe 5 minutes just to melt the honey in? or perhaps heating slightly to lukewarm first to get the skins open and then run through a food mill?
    Also to then preserve my syrup over winter would you suggest freezing the readymade syrup and taking out as needed? I was thinking of canning for 10 minutes but then i’d lose some of the nutrients.
    Thank you for your expertise on elderberries!

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Sarah! Thank you for your thank you! 😉 I like your thought process with the fresh berries. You know what? The skins have nutrients including a ton of polyphenols, so putting the berries through a food mill might hold those back along with the seeds, I believe, depending on how small/large the holes are. The berries put out quite a lot of juice, so you wouldn’t need to heat them to get the honey and ginger to fully incorporate with the juice. Let me think, let me think, let me think. I’m a fan of getting the gel that envelopes the seeds into my remedies as well, so I mash them bit with my Grandma’s wooden berry masher that my Grandfather made for her a zillion years ago. It takes a lot of gusto to break open the seeds, so gently mashing is fine. I think the food mill may serve the same purpose as you turn the handle. Check to make sure you aren’t getting seeds through. Then put the juice and the honey/ginger…and maybe some cloves and/or citrus peels???… together and stir. That’s all you’ll need to do! You can easily freeze the elderberry honey in small containers such as 4 ounce “gladware” or similar, or even ice cube trays. When freezing in ice cube trays, make sure to take them out when frozen and put them in freezer containers so they don’t get freezer burn. Still don’t know how to get the skins in with that, as I always make my elderberry honey by mashing them, putting them not over halfway up the jar along with my other herbs and then filling the jar with honey. The jar goes in the fridge to macerate for 6 weeks, then I strain out the seeds and skin. No toxins, and the honey has pulled the polyphenols and other water solubles from the skin. Ta da! I keep my elderberry honey in the fridge, always. xo

  • Ellen says:

    I just wondered if elderberries are collected fresh can they be stored in the fridge prior to use or must they be frozen? If they can be stored in the fridge prior to use, how long can they be kept. Thank you very much.

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Ellen!

      Excellent question! Elderberries do better frozen than put in the fridge. You get at best a day in the fridge before they start molding. They’ll be fine for 2-4 months in the freezer.

  • Susan DeMarco says:

    Suzanne – Thank you for all of your information. I have long believed in the immune support of elderberries. My son and I scored a 5 quart basket of fresh elderberries at our local farmers market. We added them to a mead we were making and was a little freaked out by everything on the internet saying that they were poison if not cooked for 20 minutes!!! (especially since we had already added them to the magic mead- gently smashed of course). I was so glad to read all of your posts. Everything you said was what I had always thought. I am using the remainder of the elderberries to make the elixir recipe you have at the top of this page. It actually reminds me of the sour cherries elixir my mother used to make which she affectionately called cherry bomb (one sip with a cherry and your cold was gone!! Thank you!!

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      That’s wonderful, Susan! Scoring the elderberries, I mean. I make a sour cherry elixir as well – it’s packed full of Vitamin C. Thanks for the reminder; I’m going to go find it on my shelves and take some right now. xxoo

  • Michael says:

    Is there a way to make elderberry syrup without heat? Can I treat the berries as I would when infusing other types of herbs in oils, glycerin or alcohol?

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Michael – thanks for your question! I don’t make the syrup, I make either the elderberry honey and/or elixir. The directions are on the article plus in comments below. Elderberry honey has the same consistency as a syrup, with all the nutrients and medicinals intact. I don’t know how you process your other herbs into oils, glycerin, or alcohol, so without more info, I can’t effectively speak to that. FYI for everyone, glycerin tinctures are limited to water solubles and have a short shelf life. Thanks!!!

  • Jeff White says:

    I am hearing three schools on elderberry toxicity and beneficial attributes.

    1. The seeds contain the toxins so keeping it raw/frozen then removing seeds before consuming make the most beneficial use of elderberry’s (no with seeds).

    2. Cooking or steam juicing removes the toxins from the berry/seed, but also no real details about what exactly other amazing parts of the berry are destroyed. Seems we kill the berry to make the seeds less toxic, why not just remove the seeds?

    3. Other forms of extracting the amazing with Alcohol or vinager magically only takes the good stuff and leaves behind all the bad stuff. Seems like a miracle, except to say the seeds do not release toxic materials until they are broken or crushed?

    4. Blossoms / Blooms stuck to end of berry. Maybe only us in Montana have this problem, but even when the berries are full and dark, many of the flower ends remain. We work hard to clean many off, but probably 25% remain. Any others experience this? Are these parts making the berry product less healthful?

    Does anyone have access to hard factual research about all three aspects and the gain/loss of each approach. Seems like a ton of opinions and tons of Old Wives tales. But just hoping there are better research done and published.

    Again, thanks for being such a great conversations about a berry we hope keeps us healthy and happy through thick and thin times.

    Jeff

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      You are correct. There are as many opinions about elderberries as there are people who copy and paste. I’m a big fan of Dr. Jim Duke’s phytochem website, where anyone can research constituents in plants. Here’s the site: https://phytochem.nal.usda.gov/phytochem/search/list

      You’ve posed many a good question and I encourage you to do some research beyond what a weekend herbalist may have posted on their blog. There are many excellent herbalists with great reputations out there: Matthew Wood and Paul Bergner are two. My own knowledge comes from sources of good repute and 30 years of experience, however, I do not have the time to go above and beyond what I’ve answered so far. I do encourage others to chime in with their research. We’re all in this together, as they say.

      Cedar Mountain Herb School will be offering a 3 tiered membership starting in November. Depending on the membership, people will have access to my podcasts, articles, videos, and more.

  • Rosa Landry says:

    🙏 Thank you so very much for all of the information that you have shared in this article as well as in the comment section. ( You have the patience of a saint).
    I have signed up for your newsletter and as a Canadian look forward to your online studies for 2020.

    Can you tell me if rose hips can be treated in the same manner as elderberries. I’m hoping to make a quality Vit C syrup but like elderberries everyone’s directions are to murder the fruit, killing all the Vit C, through excessive cooking.

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Rosa!
      You are most welcome! I am a teacher at heart and love to share what I know. Thanks for signing up for the newsletter! We have sooo much in the works!

      I love your comment about murdering the fruit. When I read that, I thought, “Here’s a girl after my own heart!” Yes, I treat rose hips just as I do the elderberries, and always process them fresh. I’ll write an article with more info and get it up on the new website within the month.

      • Rosa Landry says:

        Thank you Suzanne. Our rose hips are ready now so I really appreciate your quick response! ❤️

        • Suzanne Tabert says:

          My pleasure, dear. Here’s an herbal tidbit from the article I’ll write soon:

          One of the coolest application for rose hips that I know of is how it strengthens the membranes of our vein, arteries, and capillaries, and promotes good circulation to our extremities!

          Rosehip harvesting and processing tips ~

          1. Leather gloves are a good idea for picking because of reaching through thorns.
          2. Kitchen or exam gloves. You’ll cut the rosehip in half, and scoop out the irritating hairs and seeds.
          3. Drop the rosehip flesh in a bowl of water. The residual hairs left on the hips will float to the top, and you can pour them off. This will take several washings.
          4. Chop up the flesh and process into your desired menstrua. I’m a huge fan of rosehip elixir.

  • Barb R. says:

    Hello Suzanne,
    Loved reading all the comments and your advice. Started some Elderberry wine with mashing the berries with a potato masher, are the seeds hard enough to not get damaged? Added some hot water, sugar and yeast (after cooling off). After 5 days discarded the must and now left to do the fermenting. By not cooking the berries beforehand is it still safe to consume the wine as is?
    Would appreciate your input if you can.
    Thanks, Barb R

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Barb, Elderberry wine! I’ve never made it, but have had a few glasses over the years. I used to go to a barter faire in Tonasket, Washington a few decades ago, when it really was a barter faire. There was a hippy gentleman who attended regularly and brought all kinds of herbal wines – Oregon grape, dandelion, elderberry, I can’t remember what all he brought. He was very popular! It’s since turned into an all night party and flea market, sadly. Since I don’t know how to make wine, a question for you: does it involve cooking? I would think not, but am not sure. Depending on how vigorous you were in your mashing, would depend on whether you broke open seeds. As long as you didn’t reef on the berries like you would be pounding a nail into a wall, you would be fine. Do you need my address for where to send a bottle???? 😉

  • Julie says:

    I can’t remove all the small little stems after dehydrating my elderberries is it still ok to make my syrup.

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Julie! Have you had the chance to read all the comments and answers? I don’t use dried elderberries to make syrup and don’t recommend it. Fresh elderberries in honey become as thin as a syrup and so medicinal! Removing stems from dried plant material is as easy as blowing in the wind, really. Roll the berries around in a bowl and blow off the stems using the low and cold settings on a blowdryer.

  • Gail says:

    What about worms in elderberry in the past on my a couple didn’t bother me this year as many as berries totally grossed me out so much I threw out whole batch.

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hey Gail! I would have thrown out the wormy elderberries as well. In all my travels, I’ve never found a single worm in a berry. That bush is having some issues and is best left alone. Happy hunting for healthy elderberry bushes!

  • Janie says:

    1. When I aggressively chinois-ed the daylights out of my elderberries yesterday — before reading this — did I also unleash the poison from the seeds into the juice?
    2. Is commercially canned Elderberry Juice Concentrate devoid of nutritional benefits?
    3. Thank you 🙂

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Janie,
      1. I laughed out loud when I read this! The seed coats are pretty sturdy. You’d really have to hammer the berries to break them open. I bet you’re ok.
      2. I can’t speak to this as I don’t know anyone else’s process. Xo
      3. You are most welcome! 🙏💋

  • Carie says:

    So happy to have found your page, very informative! We just purchased some acreage, much of it wooded and I realized yesterday that we have gobs and gobs of elderberry trees/shrubs. Unfortunately, it appears that many of the berries may be past their prime, approximately 25% of them have slightly wrinkled skin and Look more like raisins. Is it bad if few “raisins” end up in the mix? If so, it might be a little too labor intensive for me to pick them all out, but there’s always next year!

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Thank you, Carie, for your question! I’ve been teaching and working on the new website that will be launched soon. Thank you, and everyone else, for your patience! One of the many things I stress with my apprentices is that we harvest the plants at the right time for best quality medicine. Not doing that can result in poor results/actions. Then the herb gets a bad rap, which is unfortunate. I tell them, “Do you want to be known for making half assed medicine or quality medicine that really gets the job done?” Personally, I’d pick only the viable berries and leave the others to drop or be food for a bird or other animal.

  • Corinne says:

    This is very good. Thank you. I picked so many fresh elderberries and didn’t get to them for three days… now they are a major stink. I guess they will have to go to the compost. I found my answer here as to whether I should or should not use them. Sadness to lose so many!

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Corinne, it’s always the best practice to process the plant material immediately after harvesting. That is respect to the plant/plant community and the animals that thrive in the area, which may have had an opportunity to eat that harvest. Sadly, we learn sometimes with the mistakes we make. One of my pastors says, “When we know better, we do better.” Don’t beat yourself up, but do make sure to plan ahead to process your future harvests immediately. Xxoo

  • yurika says:

    Hi Suzanne! I can’t wait to try making the elixir and the oxymel, I always wondered if cooking would somehow degrade nutritional benefit while making syrup.
    I make a lot of fruit leathers for my kids snacks becuase we grow many types of fruit. I thought of maybe adding the elixir or the oxymel in some of them but am afraid of putting too much in.
    **How much elixir/oxymel would be a good amount per quart of fruit leather mix? I would make sure that the kids would not eat too much of the leather with elixir/oxymel in it per day.
    Also for the oxymel,
    **how much honey should I put in? is it more taste preference or does it need certain amount for the macerate process?
    Thank you so much!

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Yurika! Cooking does degrade to destroy a portion of the nutritional content of plants. Selenium, for instance, helps to slow aging, and aids in healthy hair, nails and teeth Selenium gives our cell structure, prevents cellular damage, increases antioxidant capabilities, helps the body to resist disease, boosts immunity, regulates thyroid function, defends against heart disease. A trace mineral, we need only small amounts, however, it can be destroyed in food processing and high heat. That’s just one of the many nutrients in plants. Each nutrient has its limit as to heat and processing.

      To answer your other questions: There are many no cook fruit leather recipes on the web. It seems that the acid in the lemon (in many recipes) is used to keep the fruit from browning. Perhaps you could swap out the lemon juice portion with oxymel. Please try that and let me know! If it turns out……I’ll give you my address to send me some! 🙂

      If you use an oxymel, you could decrease the honey content to taste.

      Have fun and let us know how it turns out! I love experimenting with “Getting the medicine to the people in ways that they’ll delight in taking, so that healing can occur!” I call that win/win. Family and friends are happy and willing to take herbal medicine that you’ve snuck into tasty treats, and you know you’re giving them something healthful.

  • Wendi Adams says:

    After a Kabor Day harvest of the beautiful blue berries I spent the next day making jelly and liqueur. Part of the processing required milling the seeds from the berry. Following that, in a mindless moment, i made the mistake of rinsing the food mill in the sink and down the garbage disposal….yikes! Much to the chagrin of my husband, our old house’s plumbing has not been the same since. Pipes are backed up in the kitchen and he adjacent bathroom. Snaking has been unsuccessful, as well as liquid plummer, or dish soap and hot watercress! Help! Any suggestions on how to break up or dissolve the notorious elderberry goo from the pipes???

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Wendi! Yikes! Was it gallons and gallons of seeds? It would seem that a cup or less of berries wouldn’t cause something like that. I suspect there were issues that were waiting for the last straw to become problematic. Are you on public sewer or septic? If public, you could try a couple tablespoons of lye down the pipe, although you did say you used liquid plumber. I don’t recommend that with a septic system. Let me know the outcome!

  • Nicole says:

    First I would like to say thank you for taking the time to educate us. I have small children at home would this be safe for them? Would you adjust the amount given due to their size? Obviously with small children at home I will be utilizing vinegar over alcohol. Can I use apple cider vinegar with the mother in it?

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Thank you, Nicole! I love teaching. It depends on the age of the child, their constitution, needs, current health issues, etc. Of course they require much less volume dosage than adults. I can’t give dosing advice, as I could easily be shut down by our lovely government and would rather be able to keep on keepin’ on. I know that’s not the answer you are hoping for, and thank you for understanding.
      Of course, raw, organic acv is the acv of choice at the Cedar Mountain Herb School!

  • Amenda Reid says:

    Hello, I made my very first batch of elderberry syrup harvested from our land. When I got the berries ready I took days actually picking through them to get rid of green and tiny pieces of stems. There may have been a few left of green berries or stems that I didn’t get but it wasn’t much at all. My husband and I taste tested it once it was all finished- boiled, simmered with Ceylon cinnamon, cloves and then local honey added. We were fine. Then I let my children ages: 15 down to 4 taste test. They were all fine. Then the other night I took a tsp. The next day I ended up in ER. I had all the signs of elderberry poisoning. ????? Could have been a bug or something else most definitely. But is there a chance it was my syrup? I have explained everything to you in detail, leaving nothing out.
    I had severe cramping, diarrhea, nausea, sweating, and a little bit of stupor. I couldn’t help myself nor could he So my husband called an ambulance. They did a CT scan, blood work, urine test. All came back perfect.
    I’m so upset thinking it could be my syrup. I really am so excited to have this wonderful harvest on my land and now I’m not even sure I can have any or did I do something wrong??? Thank you for your opinion.

    • Suzanne Tabert says:

      Hello Amenda,

      Going to the ER is never a fun experience! Reading through, I’m seeing that you took days to pick through the berries, you boiled the syrup, then simmered it. Neither your children nor your husband had any bad reaction. Shall I assume you strained out the plant material after boiling and simmering? My thoughts: Days to pick through the berries are more than one sitting too long. We always process the plant material completely the same day as harvesting. Were the berries in the fridge or freezer at any time, or left on the counter? There could easily been unseen bacteria or fungi flourishing during the long processing time. Boiling then simmering could have broken down/destroyed the fungus, however I have no idea how long your cooking process was, so can’t speak for certain.
      All tests came out negative. Does this include tests for Influenzas A & B, covid, and other viruses or bacteria? While covid is the big “rockstar” at present, there are many other cold and flu viruses going around, any of which might have been the culprit. As can talking ourselves into being sick due to anxiety and stress. How many times have we gotten sick and panicked? I’m not saying you talked yourself into being sick, neither am I discounting your symptoms and distress in any way. I’m throwing out all possibilities. There is so much fear and anxiety going on with most people these days, which can lead to a depressed immune system.
      All that being said, I’m not a doctor and can’t tell you what happened. I’ll say it again; I’ve been utilizing fresh elderberry remedies as have my apprentices and students for years, and I’ve never once heard of a toxic reaction within my circle or the circle of my immediate peers.

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